04-18-2013, 01:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-18-2013, 01:21 PM by puzzledpaul.)
<< So, what about thinking seriously for an implementation of some axis constraints to the 'connect' tool >>
Indeed ... couldn't agree more ... and I must've suggested this just a few times over the yrs, starting from just after (or maybe even during) the time Dan was writing Tools | Connect - probably over 8yrs ago(iirc)
I've also suggested that the ability to cut across gaps (of the same object), together with an angle readout (if full constraints were too difficult) of the destination point, compared with the start point - would be useful.
The latter would allow user to drag destination point,whilst eyeballing top left info readout ... until there was zero angle between same.
It'd not be as precise as full constraints - but it would (imo) add functionality.
I more recently re-iterated such ideas - as extensions to existing tools - during the time gga was writing 'new', supposedly better tools ... eg Extend loop and Plane loop by elements.
Since the 'new' tools were considered to be the next thing since sliced ... uno what ... I stopped banging my head against a brick wall ...
Btw - extend loop was *fatally* flawed, inso much that it didn't extend the existing loop - it formed a 'new' one based on the old ... and if the old wasn't co-planar then user ended up with a right mess.
Plane cut by elements does no more than Native Plane cut ... yes, the latter has an an extra step ...being able to re-locate plane thro a point of user's choice ... but I'd suggest that's a price worth paying.
If, rather than spending time on the above, Tools Connect had been improved - it would've been a far better use of time.
So, when I read stuff like this, copied below I was sorely tempted to comment at the time - but I didn't.
Added to the more recent comments about being 'unforgiving' - just because I consider rigorous testing to be in wings' best long -term interests ... it really does make me wonder why I bother.
(I've also given my thoughts re how to approach re-topo, too ...)
Whilst I don't share quite the same love affair with booleans as others in our midst, I do see (and acknowledge) their use and importance to others that wish to employ them in their workflow.
I'd suggest that tidying up the issues associated with their use should be a a higher priority task than it seems to be ... from where I stand, anyway.
I suspect more users would enjoy using said features than other - Ahhhh ...somewhat more obscure ones ...
pp
<< Paul, I do not have any objection for an approach that keeps always in mind an integration with the already existent tools. The issue is, however, that if we have to wait for such a thing, Wings will stay without any progress maybe for years or it will be abandoned altogetherly and seen just as a relic from the past, proper for a museum exhibition, having to do with the history of 3D modelling apps. : - )
So, instead of criticizing my propositions why not proposing some new tools in line with your own approach? I would be very happy to see some such propositions. Let begin sharing some ideas about retopo tools in Wings, for example.
My propositions may not be so perfect but at least they are an effort to continue the development of this so nice app about which we are discussing in the present forum >>
Indeed ... couldn't agree more ... and I must've suggested this just a few times over the yrs, starting from just after (or maybe even during) the time Dan was writing Tools | Connect - probably over 8yrs ago(iirc)
I've also suggested that the ability to cut across gaps (of the same object), together with an angle readout (if full constraints were too difficult) of the destination point, compared with the start point - would be useful.
The latter would allow user to drag destination point,whilst eyeballing top left info readout ... until there was zero angle between same.
It'd not be as precise as full constraints - but it would (imo) add functionality.
I more recently re-iterated such ideas - as extensions to existing tools - during the time gga was writing 'new', supposedly better tools ... eg Extend loop and Plane loop by elements.
Since the 'new' tools were considered to be the next thing since sliced ... uno what ... I stopped banging my head against a brick wall ...
Btw - extend loop was *fatally* flawed, inso much that it didn't extend the existing loop - it formed a 'new' one based on the old ... and if the old wasn't co-planar then user ended up with a right mess.
Plane cut by elements does no more than Native Plane cut ... yes, the latter has an an extra step ...being able to re-locate plane thro a point of user's choice ... but I'd suggest that's a price worth paying.
If, rather than spending time on the above, Tools Connect had been improved - it would've been a far better use of time.
So, when I read stuff like this, copied below I was sorely tempted to comment at the time - but I didn't.
Added to the more recent comments about being 'unforgiving' - just because I consider rigorous testing to be in wings' best long -term interests ... it really does make me wonder why I bother.
(I've also given my thoughts re how to approach re-topo, too ...)
Whilst I don't share quite the same love affair with booleans as others in our midst, I do see (and acknowledge) their use and importance to others that wish to employ them in their workflow.
I'd suggest that tidying up the issues associated with their use should be a a higher priority task than it seems to be ... from where I stand, anyway.
I suspect more users would enjoy using said features than other - Ahhhh ...somewhat more obscure ones ...
pp
<< Paul, I do not have any objection for an approach that keeps always in mind an integration with the already existent tools. The issue is, however, that if we have to wait for such a thing, Wings will stay without any progress maybe for years or it will be abandoned altogetherly and seen just as a relic from the past, proper for a museum exhibition, having to do with the history of 3D modelling apps. : - )
So, instead of criticizing my propositions why not proposing some new tools in line with your own approach? I would be very happy to see some such propositions. Let begin sharing some ideas about retopo tools in Wings, for example.
My propositions may not be so perfect but at least they are an effort to continue the development of this so nice app about which we are discussing in the present forum >>